Pope Francis resumed definitions of political content and warned against the “lawfare” that affects various Latin American leftist leaders, with particular mention of the Brazilians Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and Dilma Rousseff, whom he described as “a woman with hands clean; excellent woman.”
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“They could not (defeat her),” Francisco emphasized in reference to former president Rousseff (2011-2016) in an interview broadcast on Thursday with the Argentine channel C5N. “And Lula, they put him in jail (jail) and they couldn’t,” the Pope reiterated. The interview was conducted last weekend, before Francis was admitted on Wednesday for infectious bronchitis at the Gemelli hospital in Rome.
For more than an hour of dialogue With the journalist Gustavo Sylvestre in the Vatican, Jorge Bergoglio was relaxed, affable, with the intention of giving his opinion on Latin American political issues. There was barely a slight agitation in his breathing, a probable sign of the condition that would require his admission to the Roman hospital on March 29, from where he would be discharged this Saturday.
Asked about the judicial processes faced by Lula in Brazil, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner in Argentina, Rafael Correa in Ecuador and Evo Morales in Bolivia, Francisco alluded to the “lawfare”“. ”It starts with the media, which disqualifies and suspects a crime. These huge summaries are made and, to convict, the volume of that summary is enough, even though the crime is not found, “he said. “Where is the crime here? That’s how they condemned Lula,” Francisco said.
You have to raise your voice, you have to say when there is an irregularity. Politicians have that mission to unmask a justice that is not fair
In the case of the former president (2007-2015) and current vice president of Argentina, the Pope chose to be less eloquent. He said he did not know “the details, but the results are certainly visible.”
“You have to raise your voice, you have to say when there is an irregularity. Politicians have that mission to unmask a justice that is not fair”, Francisco urged.
“Lying, dogmatizing, insulting and destroying the other is not (proper of a) means of communication, it is guerrilla,” said the religious. “The medium has to tell the truth and the very idea of the truth. The ethics of communication is a serious problem”, he affirmed.
“With the fumus delicti, the smell of crime, sometimes the smoke leads you to the fire of crime. Other times it is a smoke that is lost because it has no foundation. He lawfare uses the smoke of crime as reality and they start with the media to leave the person in off side”, marked the Pope. “A judge always creates jurisdiction, but he has to be in harmony with the law. When you find a judge who creates jurisdiction contrary to the law, he is a chantapufi ”, he summarized.
According to what he said, he had reflected over the weekend with his friend the Argentine jurist Eugenio Zaffaroni, “a great guy and a great judge”, about the effects of “lawfare”. Zaffaroni—whom he did not name but did identify as a former member of the Argentine Supreme Court and the Inter-American Court of Human Rights—is one of the most notorious critics of the practices of the Buenos Aires courts and of what he understands as the absence of procedural guarantees in the trials faced by the center-left Peronist vice president.
The head of the Catholic Church took time to highlight his friendship with the left-wing former Uruguayan president José “Pepe” Mujica, “a great, a great guy”, and also defined the wife of the left-wing former Uruguayan president as “very serious”, former senator Lucía Topolansky, although “a little more ideological.”
If you want to argue with a politician and a far-right thinker, talk about social justice, horizontally. Of the poor
When the interviewer quoted Mujica saying that “the right is united by interests and the progressives are separated by their ideas,” Francisco replied: “wise.”
Against the extreme right, “social justice”
The mention of the internal fights of the parties and the proliferation of hate speech led the Pope to draw a parallel with the Germany that saw the birth of Nazism. “It’s what I call the ‘1933 syndrome’, Adolfito. I am terrified of the saviors of the homeland,” warned Bergoglio, who this year celebrated a decade in command of the Holy See.
“It’s curious. The extreme right is always recomposed because it is centripetal, not centrifugal ”, defined the Pope. The antidote would be “social justice, there is no other. If you want to argue with a politician and a far-right thinker, talk about social justice, horizontally. Of the poor”, said the Argentine priest.
“It is embarrassing that a politician has so many political divorces and that they have been in so many parties and change according to their convenience and present themselves as saviors of the homeland,” he said, again, without giving names.
In Argentina, where there will be presidential elections this year, polls show high support for far-right economist Javier Milei, a trend that leads members of the conservative coalition Together for Change to harden the tone.
Francis quoted a verse from the New Testament. “Are you a communist, father? Look. My identity card is Mateo 25 and you are going to tell the one who said that that he is a communist. ‘Who will enter heaven? I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was naked and you clothed me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. That is the rule of conduct, ”he reasoned.